In this episode, we have a captivating conversation with Derek King, Maury's long-time buddy, as he takes us on a remarkable journey through the realms of fitness and health. Derek's expertise extends from clinical exercise and working with neurological ailments to his passion for obstacle course racing. Join us as we uncover Derek's insights into optimizing human potential, his work with celebrity athletes, and his role in health management for older adults. Along the way, Derek also shares his personal experiences as a dedicated father, utilizing his knowledge to guide his son's well-being. Get ready for an inspiring discussion on the transformative power of fitness and the profound impact of fatherhood.
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In this episode, we have a captivating conversation with Derek King, Maury's long-time buddy, as he takes us on a remarkable journey through the realms of fitness and health. Derek's expertise extends from clinical exercise and working with neurological ailments to his passion for obstacle course racing. Join us as we uncover Derek's insights into optimizing human potential, his work with celebrity athletes, and his role in health management for older adults. Along the way, Derek also shares his personal experiences as a dedicated father, utilizing his knowledge to guide his son's well-being. Get ready for an inspiring discussion on the transformative power of fitness and the profound impact of fatherhood.
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[00:00:00] Derek: You're not gonna go outside and yell at a plant and tell it to bloom. It doesn't work. You're an organism. It's not about the day, it's about the year, it's how much did you work on your body for an entire year.
[00:00:12] Intro: Welcome to Everyday Masters, the show where we seek to understand mastery. People who have it, people who try for it, people who struggle with it, and how we all manifest it in our own lives. Welcome to Everyday Masters. Everyday Masters. Everyday Masters. Everyday. Every, every day. Master, every day.
[00:00:40] Maury: Hey, welcome to Everyday Masters. I'm Maury Sterling and I've been an actor for the last 30 years. You probably have no idea who I am,
[00:00:47] Craig: and I am Craig Diamond. I've been in marketing for 30 years. I've got a master's in psychology, and for sure you don't know who I am.
[00:00:54] Maury: We came up with the idea for this podcast because as an actor, one of my favorite things is getting to talk to the specialists they bring on, set all the people who come to set to help us actors look like we know what we're doing.
[00:01:07] Craig: And for me I've always considered myself to be a jack of all trades, but master of none. I'm pretty good at a decent amount of things, but not a master at any of them. I'm excited to learn how to become a master if that's possible.
[00:01:20] Maury: The aim of the show is to absolutely talk to people who are obviously experts. But we also want to talk to the everyday master people who've been doing things in their lives for years with passion and discipline. And nobody may think of them that way, but they are absolutely masters. Now welcome to this episode of Everyday Masters.
[00:01:43] Craig: Hello! Maury Sterling.
[00:01:46] Maury: Hello, Craig Diamond. How are you?
[00:01:48] Craig: Good. I think good. I've been what's going on? Good and bad and stressed and not stressed right this second though, which tells me, okay, I'm enjoying. Doing this. But have had some stress. I, oh, I know what's going on. Take two. Ask me how I'm doing.
[00:02:07] Maury: All right. How you doing, Craig?
[00:02:08] Craig: I'm doing okay. And in the name of being real and talking about what's going on. I have. This small ferret weasel inside of me that, you know, uhhuh, we've talked about the ferret, weasel uhhuh. I really wanna be somebody, when great things happen for people in my life I can go, wow, that is so great, that great thing is happening for somebody. And I do feel that way. But really what happens is immediately the ferret weasel inside goes like this, oh, all your fucking friends are doing so much better than you. You're such a loser. Look at how good they're doing. You're a loser. That's what happens. Yeah. Is a ferret weasel. And I've dealt with that people are doing cool shit and there's success and abundance around me. And by the way, I live a good life too. But the ferret fucking weasel just goes, everybody's doing better than you. Yeah. You're a loser.
[00:03:05] Maury: Yeah. You were the one who said to me, though, once what if you're both right? It's that hard thing to carry. Like they can exist at the same time.
[00:03:13] Craig: What do you mean?
[00:03:14] Maury: Like they can be doing well and you can be doing well.
[00:03:16] Craig: Exactly right there to be goddamn winner and loser.
[00:03:20] Maury: It's a real tough, I had one the other day, but look, I flipped it and was like, Hey, that was great news. I gotta flip it. I gotta flip it. You gotta flip it.
[00:03:28] Craig: So what you're saying is flip it.
[00:03:30] Maury: I'm saying ferret weasels in your head. Chewing at your self-esteem. All right, we're gonna try, we're gonna terrify people.
[00:03:40] Craig: Maury's so much more handsome than you.
[00:03:43] Maury: Well, I mean, there's some things which just are like, that's the way it's, but Oh God. What was up for me this week? I'm proud of myself lately, and that is hard for me to say because of my noise. Oh, boohoo. But I noticed there's, I can see the result of my labor. There's been a chapter in my life where I've put a lot of effort into a bunch of things and they're all coming alive, which is really cool. And now it's about how do I stay calm in the busy? Which is why I think this shows guest is Apropo for that. My buddy Derek is an amazing trainer, physiologist. He's a veteran. He's served in the Marines. He's an incredibly accomplished martial artist. He's an incredible dad and he is been an incredible and husband and he's also just been an incredible friend. I am super excited this week to talk to my dear pal, Derek King.
[00:04:30] Maury: Hey, now everybody, I am super excited to welcome this week's guest or this show week. It's not a week show. It's like a ge It's this show's guest.
[00:04:39] Craig: This is great. Good start. Good start. Keep going.
[00:04:42] Maury: You passed the baton. You said Maury, you do it and I'm doing it.
[00:04:45] Craig: Super efficient. Start, keep going.
[00:04:46] Maury: If there wasn't already a TV show called Nailing it. We'd call this nailing anyhow. I'm so thrilled on this show to have my dear friend, my trainer, my pal welcome Derrick King to everyday Masters.
[00:05:00] Derek: Thanks guys. Happy to be here.
[00:05:02] Maury: Derek, thanks for being on the show. The question we like to open with when somebody comes on is how did you feel when I asked you to be on a show called Everyday Masters?
[00:05:13] Derek: My initial thought was I think that it's something that that can be applied in a lot of different areas of people's lives. we're not a one-dimensional type of creature. And so I thought that your take on it with, things that we come up with every single day, battles that we have every day, and how do you become proficient at those things that make up those moments which are life. And as you expressed to me, and you said that we're gonna look at different people from different areas of life who can do the balance between the work life, the play life, the family life and our proficient at their career and their profession, and mastering something that they put a lot of time into, but as well as not take away from others areas of their life. I thought that was a, that was an intriguing thing to me. And so I was I was excited to see what happens.
[00:06:04] Maury: For everybody. Listen, let me backtrack a little bit and give you some info. I met Derek doing a play years ago, which we had a very good time doing. But since then he's an unbelievably accomplished martial artist. He served in the military. You were Special forces fourth recon Marines. He's a guy I know who is insanely curious. I think one of the things I respect most about Derek is if there's a problem, he really wants to find the solution and will approach that solution from as many angles as he can.
[00:06:33] Craig: We have a lot of people, especially younger people that listen to the show that are. On their way to mastery. We always like to figure out, okay, we're gonna get to where you are today and maybe areas that you feel you have mastery in or frankly, that we feel you have mastery in.
But How did it start? , where'd you grow up? Who are you? Is who you are today informed by something that happened in the past, or can you walk us through the major beats that got you to where you are?
[00:07:00] Derek: Absolutely. My background is, it's interesting. I come from a broken home. My family was really religious. I didn't go to a traditional school for those reasons. And when I was six, I was exposed to martial arts and just because of religious reasons for my family, I wasn't allowed to participate in that. And I think that sparked an interest. But I didn't align with traditional religion. It just didn't sit .Well with me. When I was 12, my family moved to Montana and I had a paper route. And still not being traditionally schooled I found a dojo that was at the local Y M C A and I had my paper route and I just wandered over. A great man Kenji Nakagawa, he talked to me and said, Hey, come clean my floors and I'll, take care of you. So every day I would just go there and that's where I lived. I didn't really socialize that much and understanding that I had a choice at that time, that I could either go one direction or the other. And I chose the dojo and train every day and develop myself, as best I could.
[00:08:09] Craig: You said two, two directions. So one was go to the dojo. What would the other direction have been?
[00:08:14] Derek: The other direction would probably have been self-destruction. Ah. So that would be the choice is either apply myself in a way and understand my body and really dive into to exploring what I'm capable of and my limits as a person. And it started developing at that point because I always had an interest in being strong and I'm not the biggest guy. I was never the strongest. I had chronic dislocations and injuries growing up. And I really knew deep down. That I wasn't a person who wasn't that coordinated and I had something inside me that I needed to express. And martial arts gave me a vehicle to do that. And I think from being such a formative time in my life, it allowed me to learn some basic principles and patterns of behavior that, because I had the relationship with it where I didn't have many other things. And so as far as a school went, That was my education. And then when I was 17 years old, I went and I was gonna be a Navy Seal, but the Navy office was closed. The Marines said, Hey, we have this thing, it's better. so I wanted to get outta Dodge and I went that route. I. And martial arts because of that, allowed me to pursue a knowledge base in health sciences and started reading books like Grey's Anatomy Understanding Bruce Lee, his Dow Judo and reading his book, the Art of Expressing The Human Body Arnold Schwarzenegger's, body Building Encyclopedia, Frank Zane. These icons of that era allowed me to say, okay, these are my heroes. These are the masters of aircrafts. I want to be like them. I don't wanna be them. I don't want to emulate them. I wanna be myself, but I don't wanna take components of those and see where I can take it. It wasn't until after the Marine Corps, I went up to LA and my dream was to be a stunt man. And that's how I met Mory, was we would, we did our play. I was a soldier. He was the star of course. And we would do karate in the backyard and that's what kind of clicked was just that martial arts brought us together. And that's something that's dear to both of us. And that's where we shared our commonality. And that was almost 20 years ago.
[00:10:26] Maury: I was holding a bag once for Derek to do some kicking. It was uncomfortable. Even the pad, it hurt. I was, I got kicked back like four feet. Derek just to probably be all over the place cuz that's the way I think. But one of the things I remember you saying, and correct me if this is incorrect, is I think I remember you saying, because you learned through martial arts to remove some shoulder, you also now know how to put it back. And I thought that was incredible after years of the martial training, destructive training, that you'd flipped it into healing. Cuz I I also, what I know of martial arts, that, that's high level martial arts, you realize like you'd rather heal than harm, but.
[00:11:05] Derek: That's the progression. When you look at something like that and I've been able to apply that into, performance. After I was up in and did my time up in LA didn't make a lot of money as a stuntman, I did a little bit, but I decided to go back to school for kinesiology
[00:11:18] Cutaway: um, what's that mean? Kinesiology is the scientific study of human body movement. I thought I knew what it was, but I had to look it up. Hope that helps.
[00:11:29] Derek: . I moved back down to San Diego I called a gym down here Delmar Workout. I said, Hey, I'm, a new trainer come down can I work with you guys? And the owner of the gym said, sure. So I came down I had a Ford Ranger truck. I. I got down, got the job, and then a few weeks after that, my truck broke down I didn't have any money I was at the gym and I started folding towels and to get clients and then went enrolled in school and I would sleep in my truck. Then the gym owner knew I was doing that and he said, Hey here's the key. And he said, just open it up in the morning. So I slept on an exercise mat next to a washer and dryer. I would open the gym up in the morning and train people all day, build my practice, go to school and hitch rides in order to get to whatever class I needed to get to or pay a taxi till I could get my truck fixed. That's how I built it. And shortly after that, met my wife and just kept progressing in this field until I've reached to the point of my career that I'm at now. Which is, completely on the other side. Working with, the top level celebrity athletes that you can find and dealing with that machine, which is completely different. But the whole time doing that we had families and personal things happen. As I started, my family married my wife, my, my son was diagnosed with autism when he was two, that was a big hit. But my approach to that, Was the same way where it was, okay, I know the body, I know how to beat something up. I know what the muscles are, I understand the acupuncture areas, and I know all of that okay, I need to take it to the next level. We need to go deeper. So we went back to school for our master's degrees and we really started to dive into internal functional medicine. And that's when I started to do genetic testing and blood testing and stool tests and became a diagnostic nutritionist because when I viewed that autism, I didn't view it as something that wasn't out of control. I said, okay, what can I do in my field? What are my tools that I have mastered to this point that I'm able to give to him? Not try to go out of my scope and be somebody that I'm not, but what power do I have at this moment that I can give him? And that was to make him as optimal as he could be. And so I used what I had in my resource bag to say, here's what I can offer him. If we can allow him to be as healthy and as physically fit as possible, that allows him to at least heal as much as he can with outside therapies, to potentially have a greater effect on his overall wellbeing and give him a little bit more of a shot in life. And so that's what I've done as far as the family goes and be able to personally utilize something that I have learned within my craft to address. A, milestone that I never would've expected ever in my life. And my son's progressed tremendously. He's doing great. Still non-verbal, but his motor function is perfect. Where he runs races and that sort of thing. So that was an area where I could directly apply it to my life, and I think that would, that was probably the most positive thing that I've found as far as my journey to this point.
[00:14:26] Craig: Awesome. Already feeling inspired to hear you talk. It's great. Question for you in the professional timeline thing. How'd you get from sleeping on the mats to celebrity athlete clients?
[00:14:41] Derek: Initially in my kind of journey through this fitness world, initially I just got a basic what's called international Sports Science Association certifications, and anybody can get those general trainer thing. Once you receive upper levels of degrees, you can get other things within the industry and specialize in certain things. So what I did is I specialized in clinical exercise and early in my career, I had people come to me who were primarily older adults with clinical issues knee replacements, hip replacements and orthopedic issues, weight loss, that type of thing. But as I started to progress and I, under my understanding of other different diseases, especially neurological ailments like Parkinson's and MS, and Alzheimer's I had the opportunities to work with some of those patients and really understand and work with physicians and really build a network of clinicians around me and say, okay, where do I fit within this wheel?
And I ended up working with a woman with Alzheimer's for almost two and a half years at a senior living home. And I was able to design programs for Alzheimer's people. And this was all very new. And from those opportunities came, I had an opportunities to design exercise equipment. I met with people from NASA and I just had the passion and I always wanted to understand more because the human body is so complex and it's never ending.
And it's always changing. So as it progressed, After my son was diagnosed and he started to get his motor function together, I said, martial arts, I love that. And I was doing jiujitsu and I needed an outlet because I had a lot of rage. I wanted to control that because I was, I had that hit.
And that's, when something happens to you, who cares? But when it happens to your son by your son's talking, then he's not, and he's catatonic. That it feels like a death. And so it was, the marriage thing. How do I, where do I channel, where do I put it? I did juujitsu, but he was watching me, but he didn't have the biomechanics to do it.
So then I found a organization called Spartan, which is obstacle course racing, and that fit my body type and it fit well with what I was familiar with from the Marine Corps. And a lot of the research came out because of the amount of environmental stimulus that people on the spectrum could receive in mud and heat and wet and cold, as well as up and down balancing.
I decided to use that as a vehicle and model that for him. So I started competing, but being who I am, If I'm gonna do something, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be last. So I I found some of the best runners in San Diego and I found a gym and I started training there. And just with my knowledge, they would come to me for a lot of the biomechanical and strength and power issues.
And I went with them and learned how to run. And I got my butt kicked for months and months, and then I started catching them. And so from that point, I started competing and that became my outlet. And I studied environmental physiology. We look at VO two max and I was able to take a lot more of that athletic profile, became strength and conditioning coach who really looked at those types of athletes and how do I train them.
So I started getting more of those people coming to me. A lot of professional runners, a lot of professional endurance athletes because they needed the strength to prevent injury. And that's how that worked. I ended up finishing that in the World championships in Iceland. And so I did a 24 hour race in Iceland.
Freezing in the dark in the middle of winter. I ended up it was a top 200 in the world. I ended up getting 30th, but I got my number. Wow. I wanted 50 miles. I got my 50 miles, it was interesting because I had gratitude the whole time because I knew this would never happen again.
And even though I'm on the top of mountain, it's dirty below, but, I'm going down an ice sheet and I'm lifting buckets of ice and hanging upside down. Oh God. I just had a great time and I somehow did it. Now I look back at those pictures, I'm like, how, wow. How I'm not, I'm in a different place.
But it was for, through those milestones, I ran New York Marathon for charity. And from that I had opportunities of more people saying, okay, this guy not only understands this, he practices what he preaches. And I did a little bit of an example for a lot of my clientele and I said, okay, support me.
I'm gonna run up Mount Whitney and we're gonna go for the world of record. And so I took a track coach from San Diego, from Canyon Caster Academy, Louis Vega, and we ran it in seven hours and 20 minutes. Wow. And we're passing people in full premier gear with shorts and t-shirts in our little running path.
I only fell once I, but that was on the way down. But it, those things are what kind of separated me and got my name out there. And then, I was able to build a business around that and got a lot of really loyal people and treated my business like a martial arts studio.
Fitness is something that goes on forever. And if you're a great teacher and you have that guide, I don't tell people don't go and see other people use all of it. And now more in health management with older adults. I have people, I have a guy going to get stem cells in Columbia on Saturday because, that means something to him.
He's 74 years old and he wants to give it a shot. So I set that up for him. And we'll look at different areas of the entire body of the person and I get 'em what they need. If they need a physician that does this and that, my network is big enough now that I'm able to facilitate that. So that's most of what I do now is put things together and packages and then guide the ship and say, how do we get this person where we need to get 'em?
And what do you need to become optimal?
[00:20:31] Craig: Beautiful.
[00:20:32] Maury: I don't know what to say. I took a cold shower for two minutes today.
[00:20:35] Craig: Were you in it or was your hand in it waiting for the warm water?
[00:20:40] Maury: Let me fill the audience in a little bit . Derek and I have known each other for years. I've taken any kind of physical ailment, I've ever had a knee thing or a calf pull or a rupture, all the, all my injuries. Eventually I would call Derek and go, what? What do you think I should do?
And he always had a really interesting response and a very direct and immediate answer. I would say, what's this? And he'd say it's this, and it's this and it's this. So we'll do this. And he had these very thought out, very specific. Approaches to fixing the problem. And it always blew me away.
And it, I think it always worked. Covid hit and the two of us were like, why haven't we been doing this sooner? But we start, I started training with Derek's for the last two and a half years now. We've been training regularly and to sing his praises, I've gone through a complete body transformation, probably the best shape I've ever been in, in my life.
And it it's really nice and it's been really transformative. It's just so you all know that's what we're talking about.
[00:21:35] Derek: You've come so far and we're doing it virtually, which is, this whole thing has been over the phone, so you've transformed, I haven't seen you in person in years, which is crazy, but, when it comes to, like, when I approached, let's use you for an example, Maury and let's talk about what you have mastered up to this point.
[00:21:55] Maury: You can sing my praises.
[00:21:57] Derek: I will. And I, I don't give a lot of compliments, but when the compliment is needed, I will give a compliment.
I give one a month. So with you it's, it's interesting because when you have a body and you say, okay, I am doing this through a medium of a telephone. How do I relate to this person? How do I guide this person? It's very difficult to see everything cuz vision is such an important part of this to be able to see the difference in symmetry, in the biomechanics.
But you know when you think about starting and giving yourself adequate amount of time, you know I use the example when I say, you know this is gonna take a couple years to read. Redo this system. You've been at this for 40 something years. Okay?
You're not gonna go outside and yell at a plant and tell it to bloom. It doesn't work. You're an organism. You're gonna heal at the rate that you heal. Give it time. You don't have to beat yourself up to think that you're gonna get a result. And that is about understanding how to be present and in the moment and observe your body and say, this is where I'm at today. What do I do today? How do I make today better? How do I do something today that's gonna be put in the bank so that the overall volume by the end of the year, it's not about the day, it's about the year, it's how much did you work on your body for an entire year.
So if you have a bad day or something's coming up, that's okay because it's all about you're doing more than you did before.
[00:23:20] Maury: I've said this to you and I get self-conscious talking about myself in this are but this is why I wanted you on the show in the sense of, because, some of the things you told me have radically changed my life. Not just in terms of the physical strength and the change and the loss of weight and all that stuff, but the body shaping piece.
But the fact that you said this is gonna take two years. Was such a gift because it got me out of a mindset of, oh crap, I ate this today, which means I have to pound out a certain kind of workout tomorrow. Which was a really up and down every day thing instead of okay, you did this today, but don't worry about it cuz you know, you've got solid workouts, plans for the next five days.
You're good. So it was as there was an internal calming and deflation that happened from simply the mental approach to what the process was gonna be. The line I always quote Derek which I told Craig about, that changed my life as we were working out one day and I was doing that like I was making all the faces and like grunting and groaning and all the expressions and what did you say?
You just said, no faces. And that too changed it because I realized, One, it you just said it, it made, it brought me to, it got me present with the activity. I think the activity got harder in a way, but it also felt more powerful. And it was a total life lesson about Why am I just do the thing.
[00:24:45] Craig: Derek what did it mean when you said no faces?
[00:24:48] Derek: Yeah. It, we take away the habitual response that somebody has been conditioned to utilize in their subconscious without even realizing that they're doing it. And so you have somebody that's exerting themselves and all of this tension in their face and this wasted energy because they're trying to beat the weight with their cerebral capacity.
And it has nothing to do with that. It's about being present, turning that off. And that's one area of something that I think Maury mastered was the ability to police himself and check himself in those situations where you can say, I am here. Nothing else in the world is happening right now.
It's me. The way it's me, the floor, it's me, the bar, I'm present, this is what it is, it's me and my breath. And you do those and it's pretty amazing. There's a, there's an interesting, there's a scientific study that came out about balance. And so if somebody that I have that's just, just won't just get outta their heads.
Sometimes I'll have 'em stand on one leg and it's very difficult. To have a conversation and balance at the same time. Most people cannot think of the two things. And there's different things that I can do with a body physically and put it in a position where it just shuts it down. It the chatter, they just, it just, it neutralizes and it's pretty interesting , I've seen it over the years, is this kind of light bulb and then it's about remembering the feeling.
So the more Maury could not use his face, his body then realizes, oh, I don't need to go in a sympathetic fight state.
I can be present and I can treat my body like it needs to be treated. I don't need to destroy it every time. So the fight's in the ring, nobody wants to be a training hero, that means nothing. So when you need to use it, it'll be there, but the rest of the time just be gentle and then put the work in and move on.
[00:26:36] Craig: What do you see in people that progress an exciting way? What do those kinds of students or people you work with have that maybe others have but haven't unlocked?
[00:26:48] Derek: I think that we need to take the elites as far as we would perceive as a physical elite person. Let's put them aside for a second and I'll talk about that in a minute. And let's talk about the general population you have. Genetic pre susceptibilities. Okay? We also have epigenetics, right? So how do we turn those genes on and off?
[00:27:07] Cutaway: Okay. What the hell does that mean? Epigenetics is an emerging area of scientific research that shows how environmental influences. Children's experiences. Actually affect the expression of their genes. This means the old idea that genes are set in stone. Has been disproven. Nature versus nurture is no longer a debate. It's nearly, always both. Never knew that one be honest. Did you?
[00:27:36] Derek: And how do we express the best version of ourselves in an epigenetic way? So what do we give our body that's gonna allow our body to express the positive genes and go ahead and put the negative in remission as much as we can? And that can include cancers and diseases and other things. So by thinking about the body as systems and not looking at it as, okay, I'm down here.
This guy looks great, therefore he wins. Now I've run the best internally. I look at their blood, I look at their genes, and guess what? They have problems. And just because you have that physical look, it doesn't mean that the cholesterol's great. It doesn't mean that the calcium scores are great, and it doesn't mean that their moods aren't up and down because they're expressing a negative gene and it's creating a addictive behavior.
But they look great because they're dehydrated and they've been in AOR process, but it's not lasting. So what I would say to people who start and they say I'm stuck in this position because I want to get here, is. Learn a little bit more about yourself. Why are you stuck? What is the problem that you're stuck with?
Do you not have energy? Do you not have lean mass? Is it something about you emotionally where you look at yourself and you are like, I don't like myself visually.
Okay, so what is it exactly that has you stuck in that position? And once you can define that, what is that one thing? Then start to explore that area and say if I just focus on my health and I master one thing, For 30 days, whether it be going to bed earlier, whether it be not drinking alcohol for a month, whether it be that you drink more water with electrolytes and minerals and you study one thing, by the end of year you get 12 things. Then in two years you got 24 foundational elements that you have done a whole month of training on and you've applied in a healthy way, and then the body will change with that.
So I think that the stuck mentality is about it people getting in their head and start to loop because they get discouraged and they don't know where they're going because they don't understand their physiology and they don't understand what they actually are.
I think that's the missing component, is it's not being shown to people that you need to take care of your body. We're gonna be around a long time.
90 years is a long time, and then the last 20 are very uncomfortable. So whatever you do now, however you set your . Game up there's no free lunch. If you're an athlete, you pull out your joints, okay, then you're gonna be uncomfortable. But if you're obese or if you're unhealthy, then your organs are gonna fail and you have that problem.
So you gotta balance both sides. It's not about being this atlas of a human being, this David Goggins, this Jocko, this Joe Rogan type of, just suck it up. I would not tell my kids and yell at my son and be like, get up. Go run. Stay hard,.
[00:30:27] Craig: I gotta jump in on that because that, not that it surprises me because I already get a sense of who you are, but you seem like a pretty extreme dude. You ran up a mountain and you're doing stuff in Iceland for 24 hours. Not I, again, I'm not surprised that you say this, but you're not a suck it up guy.
So who are you? Who are you? You seem like one of the toughest dudes ever. But then you come at me and throw me this, but I'm not somebody that's gonna say, suck it up. And I find that fascinating. Who are you?
[00:31:01] Derek: The main thing is, there's me and there's, you we're two different animals. So if I'm teaching somebody and I'm a black belt, yeah, I'm a black belt, I can do all this crazy stuff, but you're you're gonna develop your own art, your own expression of your body and as long as we have health as the base, we can play and we can go to extremes, but as long as we have that nucleus, we always come back to, that's the commonality is health. That's the similarity between anybody.
The rest of the stuff is just, it's just additional play with your body. See what you can do, see what God gave you, and then explore and learn something from it. How far can you go here? What'd you learn? Great. Are you gonna be doing that in 10 years?
Probably not. But can you play with it because you've developed it? Sure. Does that give you some mastery over yourself and over your body? Absolutely. As long as you learn something from it and move on. And that's my approach to it. And that's where the compassion comes in, because I know how strong I am.
I know stronger people than me. Maybe physically, character wise. That is my mission is strength of character and heart. My discipline and I had a great client, Mary Hart, a number of years ago. She's that's your strength. I'm not the biggest guy. I'm not the strongest guy, but I'll work
it's gonna be rough to beat me. The fortitude and the tenacity, that you get from a pit ball. Those are things that I try to, live in my life. And that applies to everything. And that's where it's at is, and that's why with these different events that I've done, the tests that I do for myself is, okay, what's the reminder that I need to know?
I've gone here. Okay, so I don't need to worry about this. I'll, we'll get through this problem. That's what I searched, that's what I learned from my experiences, going to that level. Not that everybody needs that, but that was my journey. And I think that the presentation of everybody needs to suck it up and stay hard.
What about the ones that break? What about the ones that don't they need somebody to care for them too? My son special needs, if I tell him Stay hard, go run 10 miles and his legs fall off, and he gets injured, what's the point? I don't see it.
[00:33:06] Maury: My grandfather always used to have a line, too many is not better than too few.
And what I heard in that was right, that's what a master knows. He was a master boat builder and craftsman, but he knew you use three here, you use one there, you use a hundred there. Like he knew the right number. And that's what Masters know. They know the right answer, that's mastery.
And that's, it really blew me away with you when, if I was tired or I was feeling injured, like you never pushed me past. There was an amazing level of honesty that meant you were really listening to my condition, my mood, my physical ability any day. So we weren't gonna create injury.
And all of a sudden, that's so much better cuz it's not pushing through the pain, it's not pushing through the hurt that may cause more injury. Now we've got. Time we have to heal. I've heard you do that in whether it was with your son or you've talked about it with the Alzheimer's patients, like each one of those areas needed its own answer and you can't just apply some general thing.
You have to really be honest with the situation. That's always floored me. That wasn't a question, that was a statement slash reflection. Question though. Craig's laughing.
[00:34:16] Craig: I like when he does that. Don't worry, Derek. You sometimes you just have to let him go. He just runs. He's like a freaking greyhound. He's like you in Iceland Sometimes it's okay.
[00:34:24] Maury: Yeah.
[00:34:25] Craig: It's just nice to watch just watch Maury in the wild. It's cool. Keep going.
[00:34:29] Maury: It's cool. It's like I go this way, but then I go that way. Like Attenborough would be like, and now he doesn't know what he's doing. One question we'd like to ask people is, do you think mastery is available to anyone?
[00:34:42] Derek: Yes. I don't speak in finite terms. I don't like to sometimes I do, but I don't like to. There's a, large population of people and we don't know the developmental state of many people. And with my situation and my heart for this, the disabled population, I never wanna say anything that's going to exclude them.
Do I think that they could, that it's available to everybody to be able to master something? I would say generally, yes. Unless there is a vital void that is missing. Is mastery really the mission or is it the pursuit of mastery? That is the mission. And do I think that everybody has a pursuit of mastery? Absolutely. Do I think that everybody can master something? I think that they could possibly, but then, as we all age and our brains start to shrink, guess what happens? Goes away. So is the pursuit of mastery and that practice that we continue to have to remind ourselves over and over again? , I think that would be a yes. Mastery, I would say, depending on the person.
[00:35:43] Craig: What's interesting about you and I, we grew up very different. I was a kind of a right in the middle of the herd school sport team sport kind of guy. I am learning something as I get older. I had a scary dad. And I had a kind of a brother that got the brunt of, they were tussling. I've learned now as an adult that I kind of retreated. I went, I played music. I did my own thing. I hung out with friends.
I actually got good, I got very good at not being Derek, my survival, my way of coping was to get along with everybody, to almost be a pleaser. I'm a chameleon. I can make my way that way, you know what I'm saying? But it was not through effort or exerting or force or any of those things.
It was the opposite. It was actually the opposite kind of coping skill. As I get older there's some shame around that, like I feel some shame that, That I don't have the grit that I don't have. So I went off to be a athlete, a college soccer player.
And honestly when I think about it I didn't have the mind to keep competing, as you have mentioned, the mind for it, something about whatever my patterns were, my conditioning it was too much of a struggle. And as I'm sitting and looking in your eyes and hearing your story how much does the mind, how much does grit, how much does surviving inform who you are?
[00:37:11] Derek: I do think a lot of it is the response a, I don't wanna say survival response, but I think that the brain is an organ, and the health of the body is going to, feed your brain. Okay? So an unhealthy body, you're gonna have negative effects on the organ itself.
What creates a person, what are those foundational elements like you're saying is there something deeper? What was it about me that caused me to then say, all right, I'm gonna be the stick in the mud.
I'm not gonna move, I'm gonna be the wall versus somebody that practices escapism. What coping mechanism is our survival mechanism that, we learn and inherit an early age that then sets the track record up for our future.
To look at myself as, if you wanna look at use a psychologist term and say, okay, here's the child. Yeah. Look at yourself as the child
[00:38:01] Craig: mm-hmm.
[00:38:01] Derek: as that and say, I forgive you, I'm gonna take care of you. I would say it's fairly recent that it becomes that way. And I think that I learned after seeing so many different people in pain age going through my own struggles. And then with that, it just became, just general compassion I think is my spirituality, is having that compassion for human beings.
And I'll see them and I'll say, okay, this person is, oh, he's expressing this and this. Or he is adrenaline dominant and he has this going on and we need to, a couple of these supplements and run 'em on a tredmill for an hour. That'll chill him out. Like the, that's good. It's not oh, this guy's just a complete jerk and write him off.
[00:38:38] Craig: So what the hell do you have mastery. You have mastery in like , 900 things. We've had a guy on that was like the master of the Ford Mustang that's a very easy thing. To put in a box about mastery, but you're quite a fascinating person.
Let's say mastery's a journey and not a destination, what is your pursuit of mastery in today?
[00:38:59] Derek: I think that as far as what I've worked the longest on, and if you want to use our little Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hour, whatever I do think there's something to that, but like I said, it goes back to you don't have to have just one thing, but if you practice multiple things over a period of time, that creates the person.
Those are your habits. And I would say for me, my mastery has come into my ability to analyze behaviors and understand where I am. And what I'm doing, and to build out a model and have the fortitude and the discipline to follow that model in order to change and recognize behaviors that would be negative behaviors that I don't wanna have into my body or my family in general.
And recognize those, put 'em out objectively and say, okay, here's what we're gonna do. Here's our training model. This is how we're going to retrain that system. And then in myself look at that and say these are patterns of behavior that I don't really want to recognize as a human being.
I want to give my kids my best. And so in order to do that, okay, how do I build a superhero? What are the qualities that I want? And then I objectively create a prioritization model. And, all right, this is gonna take me a year to learn this one. This is gonna take me two years. And then build systems.
I would say that's something that I have mastered. And that's something that I share with other people.
[00:40:20] Craig: Could you put that into terms of working with somebody?
[00:40:22] Derek: I would say, okay, what are our positive traits that you exhibit that you do on a daily basis? And helpful things to your body and to your mind, and what are harmful things? What are negatives? And then we'll look at the negatives and we'll say, okay, here's our positive, here's our negatives. How long does it take to create a habit? Which one of these negative patterns of behavior is something that we can work on eliminating.
First, you don't have to worry about the rest of 'em. And then we look at your lifestyle and we look at your amount of time that you exercise and your diet and your sleep schedule. And we'll say, all right, where does that fit in? When are you doing that? Is it a thought process? Or what can we do in order to neutralize that negative behavior?
And then we give a substitution positively or we give you something else to do.
[00:41:09] Craig: You keep say, bringing it back to the family. Is it true that it's a big part for you that like treat this body so that you can go participate in the world around you?
[00:41:18] Derek: Yeah it's, for me, that's something, I think that's one of those, those tens that I try to live by is, all right as a parent, I get one shot right in life.
This moment today is gone. What do you do when you wake up and you say, how am I gonna present myself to the world? What is the best version of yourself that you can present? And don't the people that you love and those that you associate with, deserve the best you. If you can show them that person and you can strive towards being that person, then I think that they deserve it.
And I think that when you can do that It really then over time reiterates those different sort of behavioral elements that I'm talking about with, as far as what positive attributes do you have currently and which are the negative ones, which everybody knows they have. Okay, then write it down, make a plan, get a plan, and then implement those patterns and behaviors because we get one shot.
Why not be the best, most optimal version in health and in mentality that we can be? And that's my thought process on that.
[00:42:27] Maury: It's pretty solid.
[00:42:28] Craig: If you had a magic wand and there were one thing all of us could do to improve our health that is accessible and an action that everybody could take a day, to get started. What would be the one thing you wish everybody would do every day that they don't do?
[00:42:47] Derek: Think that, the very first thing is not an action at all, but it's a thought and I think that thought is gratitude. For your body. And if everybody woke up in the morning with being grateful for their bodies and being thankful for what they have, I think that would set the tone.
But I think we're in a culture and we're in a ramped up society where it's about being essentially a robot and out of your body and being a consumer and you're just a cog in the wheel and people treat themselves. Like they're just the worst and they beat themselves up and they get angry at themselves about their health and their wellness when they would never, or hopefully never treat their dog or animal that way.
And I've seen people feed their bare pets better than they feed themselves. They treat themselves terribly. But I think that just it's because they're angry at themselves. Rather than having that state of gratitude saying, wow, I can move like this. I can go out and I can walk. Because if people understood their mortality and they understood this is not finite, it goes away.
And you only have youth for so long, you only have middle aged for so long. And I've seen people, many people pass away that were extremely strong and healthy and they passed away and they were. They had muscles. Great. I've seen people broken and I've seen them pass away miserably and never reach that full potential.
And working with so many older adults and be exposed with so much of that at those elder years and looking at them when they say, it doesn't matter how much money I have, I would give anything to be 35, to be 40 again. And to see it at that end allowed me to have that perception and say, okay, then there's something bigger than all of this.
And that's time we don't get it there. Yeah. And right. And that's it. Today's the day there is no, tomorrow it's day one.
[00:44:50] Craig: Okay. I'm gonna tee this one up and you're just gonna cock back and just punch me right through the screen into the face. I'm really lobbing you a softball here.
Ma He doesn't know where I live. He may actually come after me on this one. Oh, I already told him. Damnit. Nice.
[00:45:03] Maury: He can totally find you. He doesn't need your address.
[00:45:06] Craig: Oh, shit. Okay.
We haven't said this before on the podcast, but I'm a guy that many years ago stopped drinking because drinking was a problem for me. I and I really liked to drink. I didn't quit drinking cuz I didn't love it. I quit drinking because it wasn't working for me. I'm a guy that got sober. And as I got sober, I have realized pretty obviously that you talked about that. I'm a human being that has feelings. I bump into the world, the world makes me feel a certain way. Some of those feelings I'm not comfortable with, what I used to do is turn to alcohol, cuz that felt really great, on anxiety or fear or some of these negative emotions. But I can't do that anymore. What I like to do is I like to relax and I like to have a cigar. In my mind, just on the heels of what you just said I feel like this is my rationale, this is why I'm teeing this up and you can really let me have it, is I gave up booze.
That was a dead end for me. I guess the question might be around a binge or the cheat day or something, I feel because I gave that up and that was such a big behavior that I changed, right? I'm so proud of myself that I modified a behavior that was hurting me.
And I do understand the fricking insanity that I'm saying. I gave up something that would hurt me to pick up something else that would hurt me, but to me, this feels like a, like less of a hurt, if you will, or maybe a little bit of a reward or something that still helps me treat the way I'm feeling, relax, enjoy my life. How does that all sound to you? Does that sound like total crap? Or does that sound like you could work with me?
[00:46:47] Derek: It's something that I've heard all the time. It's not anything that is, is completely off the wall. It's really common.
What is it about addiction? And this is a great book here. Adrenaline dominance. There's a lot of things going on within the body systems that we're trying to self-regulate or medicate.
So what is it about the cigar, right? And that habitual behavior. You have alcohol in order to change the state that you're in because what are you trying to calm down is the frequency cuz you're up here. How do I calm that down so I have my cigar. It allows me to be in a co parasympathetic state, because what happens is when you're sitting down or you're relaxing, you're doing something that that creates a little bit of dopamine.
How do you get the dopamine? What causes your body to dump dopamine? Why do you not have dopamine? Is it the fact that you have a high level of cortisol and stress in your body, which means that you probably have a high level of adrenaline, which then we'll look at hormones and say, what internally is off?
Is it two genes? You have a slow C omt and a fast m a r? Those two things out of whack. Do you need something within the system that will allow it to become balanced and neutral? That's one area that will look inside and say, what is it that causes the dependency for that change in the internal homeostasis?
The other one we'll look at is say, okay, this puts you in a parasympathetic state. So this could be a action or a pattern of behavior that calms you down. So is a cigar when you list the risks versus the reward. Throat cancer kind of sucks. So is it something that, all right, we're gonna smoke cigars.
So the next 40 years, is that the only way you can cope with the stresses of life? Or is there a better medium that you can say, I'm gonna taper off this, right? So who say I'm gonna have a cigar and Saturday and Sunday, but then during the week I'm gonna find something else to generate a dopamine response, a walk, a run, an environmental stimulus.
When we talked about the cold showers, you're gonna give you a cold shower for 11 minutes a week. You get a four hour dopamine dump after that. That's an easy one. That's trending and popular right now. Everybody blows themselves out ice baths and this and that, but it doesn't take a lot of stimulus in order to allow the body to have a chemical response.
So what is it? If you look at your cigar and you say, I'm a smart guy. Here's my risks, here's my reward. Is, having a cigar four or five times a week, is that really the best choice? Or should we start to taper it back and find other things that emit the same chemical response? And when you can look at it objectively, then we can go back to that pattern of behavior and look at that model that we're talking about as far as taking a positive behavior or a substitute within a negative amount of coping mechanism to say, what can replace what I'm trying to generate internally from this?
Once we have that answer, then we build it out and you say, okay, here's my six week plan done. And then find some positive things that'll elicit those responses rather than destructive. Now is the cigar gonna kill you? One, not really, but doing it as a coping mechanism over the next 30 years.
Yeah, you'll lose your tongue.
[00:50:03] Craig: Yeah. No I hear you. I appreciate that. I like it a lot.
[00:50:06] Maury: It's making me think a lot about how. Sometimes dietary changes, restrictions, changes in our behavior for health. I've always thought of 'em as punishments. I can't eat sugar boohoo. Like it's the thing that's bad.
I'm mad about not eating the thing that's bad for me. Like somehow in, so that also made me think of I like what you're talking about, Derek. I've gotta replace that with something. Even if it's gratitude. I love that even if it's just joy of of just being joyful, that I'm not eating sugar. I think when you came to me and said, this is gonna take two years.
That started that thought process for me of this is a long game. You can relax. You don't have to be counting calories and workouts all the time. I don't know if you have something to say on that, how to change your value system so the things you're not doing are exciting.
[00:50:53] Derek: I think people are relatively simple, but I don't think they're dumb. And I think that if you can view people as intelligent and you say, look, I'm gonna view you as a smart person, and you just address them like that. Not everybody it's gonna stick to, most of the population, especially the people that I get as clientele in my area, I have some sort of level of higher education and intellect.
And so when I can take something that's a pattern of behavior and I can lay it out for them and say, you're smart. You have success here, you have success here. Why are you giving this thing power over you? When you have the power. Yeah. And you've done it in other areas. So how do you take the discipline from this area of success and translate it over here?
And that, and then that's it. And then when you say, okay wow. Yeah, if I'm gonna focus on my health, I can make sense to me. Everybody talks about it, and then I'm gonna take those negative behaviors and put positive behaviors in there. You're adding, you're not taken away. Your body's gonna respond better. You're gonna be clear, you're gonna get more out of it, and other areas are gonna open up. But I think that, as far as looking at everything like, this is a punishment, eat your vegetables, I M R T tests, I run the M R T tests and I see people with leaky gut, and I had a guy flagged for lettuce.
He has an inflammatory response from lettuce. Things that we think aren't healthy as far as nutrition wise, they're not the, if you analyze the actual product itself has nothing to do with the apple or the orange or whatever has to do with your body's response to that specific item. How do you digest it?
How do you break it down? Not everything's good for you. That's good for me. We have different gut volumes. Bioindividuality, I think is an important component that everybody needs to explore and understand that they're unique in their own way. And that, they are their own person. And that you can't look at say, you do this, so I'm gonna do this and this is bad and this is not true.
[00:52:43] Maury: For the sake of time folks, I think we have to start moving towards the end. Although I feel like Craig and I could talk to Derek for hours.
We have a closing question, which is, what do you think are the three components of mastery?
[00:52:57] Derek: Okay. This is just out the gate. Number one , discipline and fortitude. Number two would be gratitude. And number three is action.
[00:53:07] Craig: Very good. Beautiful.
[00:53:10] Maury: Juicy, discipline, fortitude, gratitude, and action.
[00:53:16] Derek: If you apply that, you find something you want to do objectively, you decide to do it, you have the discipline and you have the tenacity and fortitude to continue to do it over extended period of time.
You have gratitude and being grateful that you are able to do it, and you act, you actually do the work. I think then that would create mastery.
[00:53:35] Maury: Right. Right.
[00:53:37] Craig: Maury, I think you should start an immediate anti moon pie behavior that I would be happy to work with you on. That feels to be the most pressing risk to the podcast right now. Is your moon pie problem?
[00:53:49] Maury: My moon pie addiction. But if Moon Pie, if you would like to sponsor the show, we are gratefully accepting sponsors.
[00:53:55] Derek: You can't condone that.
[00:53:57] Maury: We'll talk later off, off record. Derek, is there anything else you want to talk about? And also how can people reach you and talk to you more or train with you or ask you questions?
[00:54:08] Derek: Uh, I'm private.
[00:54:10] Maury: Okay.
[00:54:12] Craig: Oh, cool, cool. So that's like a go fuck yourself, Maury. Yeah. Nice.
[00:54:15] Maury: That was awesome though.
[00:54:16] Craig: No. Here's a guy that's got all the answers and go fuck yourself. No, it's great.
[00:54:20] Maury: Yeah. Yeah. I like it.
[00:54:21] Derek: I'm working on becoming more accessible.
[00:54:24] Maury: Derek and I talk about Samurai swordsman shit philosophy and reading the Hak. We have ongoing conversations about how to deal with family, marriage social media, how to participate in the world right now where you have value, but you're not just grandstanding.
And I'm so grateful to know he is a friend and I'm so grateful to had you on the show because I think you really are an everyday master cuz it's not just about pushing your limits to riding your motorcycle faster on the racetrack. It's always comes home about what is best for you, like you said, how to be your best self and really inviting that out in others.
In the way they can on that day, and that's the everyday part, just try and be the best you can in the circumstances where you are. And I think that started off as a question, but it's ending more as a compliment and just gratitude for you to be on the show and come and talk to us and talk about how to live a better life.
[00:55:19] Derek: Yeah. I appreciate it. I think that, with us and, things that we strive to do and strive , to implement in our lives like I said before you have to do it every day. It's endless, there, it, there's no end to it. And, being, a master of something today, like I said, how long will that last?
It last as long as I practice. And so as long as I practice and I continue to grow and learn and test myself.
I would say just because we did talk a lot of fitness and behavior modification, but , one of the greatest feelings is when somebody can surprise themselves. They can look at themselves and have some sort of pride and they say, wow, I just did that. And have that changed. That's my favorite thing about teaching people is when I see that little light turn and it's, they learn something and it's changed and then wow.
Now it's part of their behavior and they, the actual, the character of the person they're able to express something that's locked away and hidden. And how do you get, how do we unlock those keys to let somebody completely blossom? And so that's my favorite thing is being able to help to try to open up some of those doors.
Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. And yeah, we'll definitely talk soon.
[00:56:29] Craig: Derek you're a gem man. You're a master at so many things. It has been an honor to talk to you and trust me, a lot of what you said to me got in there today. I'm mostly interested in how you torture Maury moving forward and I'd like to hear more about that.
But thanks so much for being on everyday masters. Derek, you are a prize and I wish you all the best in the future and let's hang sometime in San Diego, my brother.
[00:56:55] Derek: Yeah, that sounds good. Thanks a lot guys. Appreciate it.
[00:56:58] Maury: Thanks for being here.
And now it's time for the wrapper. Upper, upper.
[00:57:03] Craig: So Maury, Derek is not what I thought.
[00:57:09] Maury: Uhhuh,
[00:57:10] Craig: I thought,
[00:57:11] Maury: Who are you?
[00:57:13] Craig: I thought, everybody's got a lot of different pieces to the puzzle, but that guy, I definitely thought, I thought I knew who I was dealing with and I did not know who I was dealing with.
Like clearly amazing personal athlete in his own right and then became like some bananas kind of expert in, helping others. But my "Wrapper Upper" has to be what? When I asked him, Hey, what's the one thing you wish everybody would think about every day? I think that's a bit of a life-changing moment with his response.
I really thought he was gonna say, if everybody would just walk 10,000 steps or drink seven glasses of water with a little lemon, like I really thought I was setting him up for something like that. And what he said was it wouldn't even be an action. It would be a thought, and it would be a thought of gratitude of how amazing our bodies are.
And if everyone would just start from the place of what a gift that like, you can wiggle your fingers and toes that right now you and I have the great gift of being healthy and that we have this body and can use this body and cherish this body, that maybe it would have us flip the script on how we treat this body. That was big. That's a big moment, and it was well delivered. A wonderful guy is super cool. Really got me thinking.
What's your "Wrapper Upper?"
[00:58:47] Maury: My "Wrapper Upper" was, who are you? But I loved that. I just, I loved, Okay, folks, like podcasts are weird because, or not weird but there's this thing where you can just talk to your friends and that's what we're getting to do here.
I'm talking to my dear friend Craig, and in this case I've gotten to talk to my dear friend Derek. And at the same time, I'm just feeling unbelievably fortunate that these actually are my friends and I get to talk to them. Because watching you, seeing you respond to him and asked that question floored me.
It, because that's why I it expressed why I think Derek is such an interesting character. And one of, I think a big "Wrapper Upper" I had was from that question of you can set your own goals for yourself. You can be a high performer in lots of ways. You can have you, you can really push yourself to learn and grow.
In any way you want. But that doesn't mean you get to put that on somebody else because they are different. And just because he's a super tough guy, and I don't know if he'd say I'm a tough guy. He just, he's he's I'll make it hard for you, or whatever. He said I'm gonna make it tough for you to win.
He goes the distance But he goes the distance in towards the other person as well of really inviting their best out, but not demanding that they are like him. I just think that is such an incredible combination of things. He's changed my life. We were laughing about it, but don't make faces.
I'll never forget that. Because I think that goes to your point of just really appreciate where you are and what is happening with nothing extra. And really feeling your body move and work and find balance and structure and poise, which then has, a powerful dignity within and integrity within.
I heard a lot about his personal story today, which is Just his childhood and why he was drawn to the martial arts. And also his struggle with his son. I thought that was a powerful to be open about just saying how angry we can be, especially with our children when things aren't going well and what do we do with that, but that he was then able to transform it and help others.
It and really address people right as they are. I, it floored me really cool.
[01:01:02] Craig: I also really dug that notion. I've always known this where he was just like, I think he called it independent biology or something like that. It's like we all just think we're identically the same cuz we're human beings and it's just right.
It's very clear talking to him that. Whatever's going on with me is different than in my body, is different than what's going on in your body. And we all just look at these magazines, we're like, oh man, I wish I had those abs or whatever. And like from the inside out, it's a different story and therefore it's a different solution.
It's a different method to get you where you want to go. I mean that, that makes a ton of sense.
Yep. Super cool dude. Awesome guest. Super cool. Really cool. I hope I, I get to Meet with him and get really strong like stronger than you, and then be strong.
[01:01:50] Maury: Yeah. You've got, you probably can do that in a couple years, three or four years. Thank 10. I think you do it. It's a project. You'll get it done though, dude. I believe in you. Thanks everybody. Talk to you soon.